Mahamsa: THEY WILL SAY THAT THIS KRSNA CULTURE IS HINDUISM.

Prabhupada: THEN HE’S A RASCAL. PROVE IT IN THE COURT. KRSNA IS NOT HINDUISM. NEVER.... Is there anything in the Bhagavad-gita that Krsna says, “I am for the Hindus or for the Indians”?

Acyutananda: The Hindu law is so elastic, anyone who calls himself a Hindu or who practices any branch...

Mahamsa: Or puts on tilaka.

Acyutananda: Puts on tilaka, he may have the lowest character or the highest standard, anyone, he will be all considered a Hindu.

Prabhupada: So this should be taken to court, on the Supreme Court.

Harikesa: But if there is no definition of Hindu, how can you prove...

Prabhupada: THERE IS NO HINDU. It is not.... THEREFORE WE ARE NOT HINDU.

Acyutananda: Well, they’ll say, “This is our definition. This is what we say a Hindu is.”

Prabhupada: Huh?

Acyutananda: The court says, “This is what we say a Hindu is. SO YOU’RE HINDUS.”

Prabhupada: NO, NO. And court can say anything, but then why not put it into the judgment of many judges?

Harikesa: Then we have to establish what is Hinduism...

Prabhupada: Yes.

Harikesa: ...and what is Krsna consciousness.

Acyutananda: It is already established.

Prabhupada: You can define anything. That does not mean that your definition is perfect. Actually we have to.... Who...? Suppose Hindu. So who is not accepting Bhagavad-gita? But where is...? In the Bhagavad-gita where is the mention of “Hindu”? Hm? Krsna says that “I am the father of all living entities.” So WHY DO THEY SAY THAT THIS IS HINDUISM?

Acyutananda: “Well, all religions say that they are the best. Jesus Christ says, ‘Everyone who comes to me, they will get the grace of God.’ So the same thing. But still they are Christians and you are Hindus.”

Prabhupada: So this cannot stay in the court. Krsna’s instruction is not for the Hindus. Nowhere it is mentioned.

Tamala Krsna: The word “Hindu” doesn’t appear in the Vedas anywhere.

Acyutananda: Then why do you use in the Krsna consciousness the Hindu caste marks, Hindus caste marks and tilakas? This is all Hinduism.

Prabhupada: NO, THIS IS NOT HINDUISM. Appears like Hindu. Just like you appear like an Indian sannyasi, but you are not Indian.

Acyutananda: The judge is wearing a white wig and a British suit. He’s not British either.

Prabhupada: No, we are clearly stating Krsna consciousness.

Harikesa: Yes, but Krsna is a Hindu god.

Prabhupada: That is your definition. Krsna doesn’t say.

Harikesa: But my definition counts ’cause I’m in charge.

Prabhupada: You can do any nonsense. That is....

Therefore you have to be taken to the court, that “How you can...”

Tamala Krsna: But they are the court.

Prabhupada: “...talk like nonsense and do like nonsense? Then anyone can do any nonsense thing? Then who will control you?”

Harikesa: That’s the point.

Mahamsa: The chief justice himself was saying like that in Madras. Their opinion will come in their favor.

Prabhupada: No, they can give opinion, but there is supreme court. There is international court. We shall go...

Mahamsa: International court?

Gopala Krsna: That’s only for disputes between countries, international court.

Prabhupada: Yes, it is country—”We are American. They are forcing us to become a Hindu.” This is between country. You have to tackle with intelligence.

Mahamsa: It’s become a world issue.

Acyutananda: In most books about Hinduism they describe that Hinduism is a cult where they worship many gods and ultimately God is formless.

Prabhupada: No.

Acyutananda: So we are against that. Then we are not Hindus even philosophically according to that.

Prabhupada: Yes. We are against all so-called cheating religion. THE HINDUISM IS ALSO A CHEATING RELIGION. We are preaching Bhagavata, and Bhagavata beginning that “We have kicked out all cheating religion.” What is cheating religion? That one has to understand. And Bhagavata says, dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam:

[SB 6.3.19] “Religion means the order given by God.”

If you do not know who is God, “imperson,” then where is your religion? We have to tackle things.

Gopala Krsna: They will consult all the standard dictionaries about Krsna’s definition and all the...

Prabhupada: Dictionary is not the standard. The standard is the book itself. That is our preaching.

You may bring some dictionary made by some fools. No.

We have to take reference. Therefore we are presenting Bhagavad-gita As It Is.

Acyutananda: Well, even Jesus Christ just said, “I am for all,” but there is Christianity.

Prabhupada: Yes, that is a fact. Either God or God’s representative, He is for everyone. Suhrdah sarva-bhutanam. That is the definition of sadhu.

Titikaavah karunikah suhrdah sarva-bhutanam. A saintly person..., as God is for everyone, a saintly person is for everyone. Why he should be for Hindu or Muslim or Christian? That is the definition of saintly person.

Suhrdah. Suhrdah means well-wisher. So either Christ or any Vaisnava, he is well-wisher for everyone.

[break] ...suhrdah sarva-bhutanam. We are preaching all over the world and they are appreciating.

Harikesa: So many others have preached Hinduism but have no result.

Prabhupada: No result. Why they should become Hindu?

Acyutananda: That sign is there, “Swami Vivekananda, the Hindu monk.”

Prabhupada: But who cares for Ramakrishna Mission?

Hindu monk, but who cares for the Ramakrishna Mission?

For the last eighty-five years they are working. How many Hindus they have made? Simply bogus propaganda.

They advertise that “We have made all Americans...”

But where the Americans? They picked up two American ladies, that’s all. Where is the Hindu sadhus eating meat? [break]…

Prabhupada: Foreign devotees, they are joining this movement not because it is a Hindu culture. They take it as a real spiritual culture. Otherwise why, for the last hundred, two hundred years, the Hindu sannyasis, yogis, were going there? Who did accept it? Did anybody? (Morning Walk - 08/01/76)